last updated December 22, 2009

 

MY BIG FAT CARBON FOOTPRINT

There is much talk of carbon footprints nowadays, and people want you to pay for your carbon footprint by 'offsetting'.

UPDATE 18/11/08 - Climatecare.org appears to have raised their offsetting prices
as well as removing their mileage calculator , not sure when they did this actually,
but the new flights added to this page reflect the price change.

So i figured i might try and work out my footprint, knowing that i fly an awful lot for business, and for pleasure,
i wanted to see just how much of a blight I really am.

So, i need to write all my flights down.. Luckily, as i'm such a clepto, i keep all of
my boarding cards as a memento, so this actually makes the job a lot easier :-)

 

(I'm only permanently missing the boarding cards from first 5 flights i ever took, which i think is close to obsession :)
I have not had a chance recently to scan the last 6 months' worth of cards... soon i hope though...

 

How to read the table below :

Date self explanatory
Carrier self explanatory
Depart Where I took off
Arrive Where i landed
webflyer.com mileage Using the calculator that can be found at this website, here's how far they say it is in actual miles flying from one place to the other.
climatecare.org mileage The figure given by the calculator at this website. Note that because this website doesn't list all airports in the world, some flights have had to have a nearby-ish city to choose from. The alternate city can be found in the rightmost column noted Alt. Airport
climatecare.org
tonnes of CO2
This is how many tonnnes of CO2 that climatecare.org says that i am responsible for dumping into the environment.
climatecare.org
offset cost
This is how much climatecare.org thinks i should pay them to offset my travelling for that trip, their prices are about £7.50 per tonne
Alt. Airport Alternative Airport - used when the calculator for carbon offsetting doesn't specifically list the to/from destinations that i have. If no suitable airports can be found near, i have instead used figures given by climatecare.org for another trip of similar mileage
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Totals at the bottom speak for themselves really.

 

 

Date Carrier Depart Arrive webflyer.com
Mileage
climatecare.org
Mileage
climatecare.org
tonnes of CO2
climatecare.org
offset cost
Alt. Airport
16 May 01 London (LHR) Toronto (YTO) 3540 3541.6 0.79 £5.92  
16 May 01 Toronto (YTO) Boston (BOS) 431 444.7 0.09 £0.67  
29 May 01 Boston (BOS) Atlanta (ATL) 945 945.3 0.17 £1.29  
15 Jun 01 Atlanta (ATL) Toronto (YTO) 743 739.8 0.14 £1.03  
15 Jun 01 Toronto (YTO) London (LHR) 3540 3541.6 0.79 £5.92  
19 Jul 03 London (LGW) Orlando (SFB) 4320 4340.4 0.98 £7.35  
25 Jul 03 Orlando (MCO) Dallas Ft. Worth (DFW) 983 850.9 0.16 £1.17 Houston
25 Jul 03 Dallas Ft. Worth (DFW) San Jose (SJC) 1430 1631.1 0.29 £2.16 houston/sfo
28 Jul 03 San Jose (SJC) Dallas Ft. Worth (DFW) 1430 1631.1 0.29 £2.16 houston/sfo
28 Jul 03 Dallas Ft. Worth (DFW) Orlando (MCO) 983 850.9 0.16 £1.17 Houston
2 Aug 03 Orlando (SFB) London (LGW) 4320 4340.4 0.98 £7.35  
16 Aug 04 London (LGW) Atlanta (ATL) 4220 4215.5 0.95 £7.13  
16 Aug 04 Atlanta (ATL) Orlando (MCO) 404 403.1 0.08 £0.62  
30 Aug 04 Orlando (MCO) Cincinnati (CVG) 757 758.4 0.14 £1.06 Washington
30 Aug 04 Cincinnati (CVG) London (LGW) 3970 3681.4 0.82 £6.17 Washington
9 Sep 04

London (LHR) Tel-Aviv (TLV) 2230 2227.3 0.39 £2.94  
27 Sep 04

Tel-Aviv (TLV) London (LHR) 2230 2227.3 0.39 £2.94  
29 Oct 04

London (LHR) Philadelphia (PHL) 3530 3530.4 0.79 £5.90  
8 Nov 04

Philadelphia (PHL) London (LHR) 3530 3530.4 0.79 £5.90  
9 Dec 04

London (LHR) Philadelphia (PHL) 3530 3530.4 0.79 £5.90  
13 Dec 04

Philadelphia (PHL) London (LHR) 3530 3530.4 0.79 £5.90  
1 Jan 05

London (LHR) Tel-Aviv (TLV) 2230 2227.3 0.39 £2.94  
6 Jan 05

Tel-Aviv (TLV) London (LHR) 2230 2227.3 0.39 £2.94  
13 Feb 05

London (LHR) Chicago (ORD) 3940 3936.6 0.88 £6.62  
27 Feb 05

Chicago (ORD) London (LHR) 3940 3936.6 0.88 £6.62  
17 Mar 05

London (LGW) Orlando (MCO) 4340 4340.4 0.98 £7.35  
27 Mar 05

Orlando (MCO) London (LGW) 4340 4340.4 0.98 £7.35  
24 Apr 05

London (LHR) Los Angeles (LAX) 5440 5436.6 1.26 £9.44  
24 Apr 05 Los Angeles (LAX) Honolulu (HNL) 2550 2549.7 0.57 £4.25  
1 May 05 Honolulu (HNL) Los Angeles (LAX) 2550 2549.7 0.57 £4.25  
1 May 05

Los Angeles (LAX) London (LHR) 5440 5436.6 1.26 £9.44  
4 Jun 05

London (LGW) Glasgow (GLA) 369 369.6 0.08 £0.58  
7 Jun 05

Glasgow (GLA) London (LGW) 369 369.6 0.08 £0.58  
5 Aug 05

London (LGW) Dallas Ft. Worth (DFW) 4760 4837.9 1.11 £8.28 Houston
5 Aug 05

Dallas Ft. Worth (DFW) San Francisco (SFO) 1460 1631.1 0.29 £2.16 houston/sfo
9 Aug 05

San Jose (SJC) Dallas Ft. Worth (DFW) 1430 1631.1 0.29 £2.16 sfo/houston
9 Aug 05

Dallas Ft. Worth (DFW) London (LGW) 4760 4837.9 1.11 £8.28 Houston
5 Sep 05

London (LHR) Chicago (ORD) 3940 3936.6 0.88 £6.62  
11 Sep 05

Chicago (ORD) London (LHR) 3940 3936.6 0.88 £6.62  
17 Sep 05

London (LHR) San Francisco (SFO) 5350 5347.8 1.24 £9.27  
29 Sep 05

San Francisco (SFO) London (LHR) 5350 5347.8 1.24 £9.27  
27 Oct 05

London (LHR) Philadelphia (PHL) 3530 3530.4 0.79 £5.90  
2 Nov 05

Philadelphia (PHL) London (LHR) 3530 3530.4 0.79 £5.90  
10 Dec 05

London (LHR) Newark NJ (EWR) 3450 3455.9 0.77 £5.77 JFK
12 Dec 05

New York (JFK) London (LHR) 3440 3455.9 0.77 £5.77  
2 Jan 06 London (LHR) San Francisco (SFO) 5350 5347.8 1.24 £9.27  
8 Jan 06 San Francisco (SFO) London (LHR) 5350 5347.8 1.24 £9.27  
18 Jan 06

London (LHR) Chicago (ORD) 3940 3936.6 0.88 £6.62  
31 Jan 06

Chicago (ORD) London (LHR) 3940 3936.6 0.88 £6.62  
7 Feb 06

London (LHR) New York (JFK) 3440 3455.9 0.77 £5.77  
13 Feb 06

New York (JFK) London (LHR) 3440 3455.9 0.77 £5.77  
14 Apr 06

London (LHR) Zurich (ZRH) 489 490.1 0.1 £0.73  
18 Apr 06

Zurich (ZRH) London (LHR) 489 490.1 0.1 £0.73  
30 Apr 06 London (LHR) Chicago (ORD) 3940 3936.6 0.88 £6.62  
6 May 06

Chicago (ORD) Oklahoma City (OKC) 691 758.4 0.14 £1.06 Similar miles
12 May 06

Oklahoma City (OKC) St. Louis (SUS) 444 436.6 0.09 £0.66 Similar miles
12 May 06

St Louis (SUS) Seattle (SEA) 1690 1871.4 0.33 £2.47 Houston
26 May 06

Seattle (SEA) London (LHR) 4780 4780.1 1.09 £8.17  
31 Aug 06

London (LHR) Seattle (SEA) 4780 4780.1 1.09 £8.17  
6 Sep 06

Seattle (SEA) London (LHR) 4780 4780.1 1.09 £8.17  
8 Nov 06 Luton (LTN) Edinburgh (EDI) 307 305.6 0.07 £0.51  
8 Nov 06 Edinburgh (EDI) Luton (LTN) 307 305.6 0.07 £0.51  
1 Dec 06

London (LHR) Zurich (ZRH) 489 490.1 0.1 £0.73  
5 Dec 06

Zurich (ZRH) London (LHR) 489 490.1 0.1 £0.73  
25 Jan 07 Edinburgh (EDI) Luton (LTN) 307 305.6 0.07 £0.51  
25 Jan 07 Luton (LTN) Edinburgh (EDI) 307 305.6 0.07 £0.51  
15 Mar 07 Luton (LTN) Edinburgh (EDI) 307 305.6 0.07 £0.51  
15 Mar 07 Edinburgh (EDI) Luton (LTN) 307 305.6 0.07 £0.51  
29 Mar 07 Luton (LTN) Edinburgh (EDI) 307 305.6 0.07 £0.51  
30 Mar 07 Edinburgh (EDI) Luton (LTN) 307 305.6 0.07 £0.51  
28 May 07 Luton (LTN) Edinburgh (EDI) 307 305.6 0.07 £0.51  
2 Jun 07 Edinburgh (EDI) Luton (LTN) 307 305.6 0.07 £0.51  
5 Jun 07

London (LHR) Hong Kong (HKG) 5990 5987.6 1.41 £10.54  
10 Jun 07 Hong Kong (HKG) Sydney (SYD) 4580 4580.1 1.04 £7.80  
11 Jun 07 Sydney (SYD) Melbourne (MEL) 438 436.6 0.09 £0.66  
28 Jun 07 Melbourne (MEL) Sydney (SYD) 438 436.6 0.09 £0.66  
28 Jun 07

Sydney (SYD) Bangkok (BKK) 4680 4682 1.07 £7.99  
28 Jun 07

Bangkok (BKK) London (LHR) 5930 5926.7 1.39 £10.42  
5 Jul 07 London (LHR) Hong Kong (HKG) 5990 5987.6 1.41 £10.54  
19 Jul 07 Hong Kong (HKG) London (LHR) 5990 5987.6 1.41 £10.54  
22 Jul 07

London (LHR) Chicago (ORD) 3940 3936.6 0.88 £6.62  
22 Jul 07

Chicago (ORD) Denver (DEN) 885 838.5 0.15 £1.15 New orleans
3 Aug 07 Denver (DEN) Oakland (OAK) 954 945.3 0.17 £1.29 Similar miles
4 Aug 07 Oakland (OAK) Denver (DEN) 954 945.3 0.17 £1.29 Similar miles
5 Aug 07 Denver (DEN) New York (JFK) 1620 1871.4 0.33 £2.47 Similar miles
5 Aug 07 New York (JFK) London (LHR) 3440 3455.9 0.77 £5.77  
27 Aug 07 Luton (LTN) Edinburgh (EDI) 307 305.6 0.07 £0.51  
29 Aug 07 Edinburgh (EDI) Luton (LTN) 307 305.6 0.07 £0.51  
6 Oct 07 London (LHR) Hong Kong (HKG) 5990 5987.6 1.41 £10.54  
12 Oct 07 Hong Kong (HKG) Melbourne (MEL) 4600 4595 1.04 £7.83  
19 Oct 07 Virgin Blue Melbourne (MEL) Sydney (SYD) 438 436.6 0.09 £0.66  

21 Oct 07

Sydney (SYD) Melbourne (MEL) 438 436.6 0.09 £0.66  
22 Oct 07 Melbourne (MEL) Hong Kong (HKG) 4600 4595 1.04 £7.83  
22 Oct 07 Hong Kong (HKG) London (LHR) 5990 5987.6 1.41 £10.54  
25 Oct 07

London (LHR) Philadelphia (PHL) 3530 3530.4 0.79 £5.90  
2 Nov 07

Philadelphia (PHL) London (LHR) 3530 3530.4 0.79 £5.90  
19 Dec 07

London (LHR) Hong Kong (HKG) 5990 5987.6 1.41 £10.54  
19 Dec 07 Hong Kong (HKG) Melbourne (MEL) 4600 4595 1.04 £7.83  

08 Jan 08

Melbourne (MEL) Singapore (SIN) 3373750
3747
0.84

£6.29

 

08 Jan 08

Singapore (SIN) London (LHR) 6760 6754 1.62 £12.13  

17 Jan 08

London (LHR) Helsinki (HEL) 1150 1148 0.21 £1.51  

30 Jan 08

Helsinki (HEL) London (LHR) 1150 1148 0.21 £1.51  

19 Feb 08

London (LHR) Hong Kong (HKG) 5990 5987.6 1.41 £10.54  

20 Feb 08

Hong Kong (HKG) Melbourne (MEL) 4600 4595 1.04 £7.83  

12 Mar 08

Melbourne (MEL) Hobart (HBA) 383 382 0.08 £0.60  

15 Mar 08

Hobart (HBA) Melbourne (MEL) 383 382 0.08 £0.60  

17 Mar 08

Melbourne (MEL) Hong Kong (HKG) 4600 4595 1.04 £7.83  

18 Mar 08

Hong Kong (HKG) London (LHR) 5990 5987.6 1.41 £10.54  

27 Apr 08

London (LHR) Helsinki (HEL) 1150 1148 0.21 £1.51  

3 May 08

Helsinki (HEL) London (LHR) 1150 1148 0.21 £1.51  
19 Jun 08 London (LHR) Seoul (ICN) 5510 5510

1.28

£11.24  
03 Jul 08 Seoul (ICN) London (LHR) 5510 5510 1.28 £11.24  
11 Jul 08 London (LHR) Bangkok (BKK) 5930 5926.7 1.39 £10.42  
12 Jul 08 Bangkok (BKK) Sydney (SYD) 4680 4682 1.07 £7.99  
13 Jul 08 Sydney (SYD) Melbourne (MEL) 438 436.6 0.09 £0.66  
20 Jul 08 Virgin Blue Melbourne (MEL) Sydney (SYD) 438 436.6 0.09 £0.66  
21 Jul 08 Sydney (SYD) Melbourne (MEL) 438 436.6 0.09 £0.66  
27 Jul 08 Melbourne (MEL) Singapore (SIN) 3750
3747
0.84

£6.29

 
27 Jul 08 Singapore (SIN) London (LHR) 6760 6754 1.62 £12.13  
6 Sep 08 London (LHR) Seoul (ICN) 5510 5510

1.28

£11.24  
12 Sep 08 Seoul (ICN) London (LHR) 5510 5510 1.28 £11.24  
22 Oct 08 London (LHR) Hong Kong (HKG) 5990 5987.6 1.41 £12.38  
23 Oct 08 Hong Kong (HKG) Sydney (SYD) 4580 4580.1 1.04 £9.16  
23 Oct 08 Sydney (SYD) Melbourne (MEL) 438 436.6 0.09 £0.82  
1 Nov 08 Melbourne (MEL)

Brisbane (BNE)

857 857 0.16 £1.39  
17 Nov 08

Brisbane (BNE)

Sydney (SYD) 467 467 0.09 £0.82  
17 Nov 08 Sydney (SYD) Hong Kong (HKG) 4580 4580.1 1.04 £9.16  
17 Nov 08 Hong Kong (HKG) London (LHR) 5990 5987.6 1.41 £12.38  
6 Feb 09 London (LHR) Singapore (SIN) 6760 6754 1.62 £12.13  
6 Feb 09 Singapore (SIN) Melbourne (MEL) 3750
3747
0.84

£6.29

 
15 Feb 09 Melbourne (MEL) Brisbane (BNE) 857 859 0.16 £1.36  
21 Feb 09 Brisbane (BNE) Singapore (SIN) 3820 3820 0.85 £7.35  
21 Feb 09 Singapore (SIN) London (LHR) 6760 6754 1.62 £12.13  
1 Mar 09 London (LHR) Dallas Ft. Worth (DFW) 4760 4837.9 0.84 £8.28  
1 Mar 09 Dallas Ft. Worth (DFW) Monterrey (MXD) 526 535 0.1 £0.90  
14 Mar 09 Monterrey (MXD) Dallas Ft. Worth (DFW) 526 535 0.1 £0.90  
14 Mar 09 Dallas Ft. Worth (DFW) Philadelphia (PHL) 1300 1292 0.23 £1.98  
21 Mar 09 Philadelphia (PHL) Chicago (ORD) 1300 1292 0.23 £1.98  
21 Mar 09 Chicago (ORD) London (LHR) 3940 3936.6 0.88 £6.62  
20 May 09 London (LHR) Singapore (SIN) 6760 6754 1.62 £12.13  
21 May 09 Singapore (SIN) Melbourne (MEL) 3750
3747
0.84

£6.29

 
1 Jun 09 Melbourne (MEL) Sydney (SYD) 438 436.6 0.09 £0.66  
1 Jun 09 Sydney (SYD) Bangkok (BKK) 4680 4682 1.07 £7.99  
2 Jun 09 Bangkok (BKK) London (LHR) 5930 5926.7 1.39 £10.42
28 Jun 09 London (LHR) Houston (IAH) 4820 4823 1.1 £9.49
28 Jun 09 Houston (IAH) Monterrey (MTY) 411 426 0.09 £0.75
8 Jul 09 Monterrey (MTY) Houston (IAH) 411 426 0.09 £0.75
8 Jul 09 Houston (IAH) Oklahoma City (OKC) 396 397 0.08 £0.71
11 Jul 09 Oklahoma City (OKC) Houston (IAH) 396 397 0.08 £0.71
11 Jul 09 Houston (IAH) London (LHR) 4820 4823 1.1 £9.49
25 Jul 09 London (LHR) Bangkok (BKK) 5930 5936 1.39 £12.00
25 Jul 09 Bangkok (BKK) Taipei (TPE) 1540 1572 0.28 £2.39
8 Aug 09 Taipei (TPE) Bangkok (BKK) 1540 1572 0.28 £2.39
8 Aug 09 Bangkok (BKK) London (LHR) 5930 5936 1.39 £12.00
19 Aug 09 London (LHR) Hong Kong (HKG) 5990 5987.6 1.41 £10.54
19 Aug 09 Hong Kong (HKG) Melbourne (MEL) 4600 4595 1.04 £7.83
7 Sep 09

Melbourne (MEL)

Singapore (SIN) 3750
3747
0.84

£6.29

7 Sep 09 Singapore (SIN) London (LHR) 6760 6754 1.62 £12.13
31 Oct 09 London (LHR) Bangkok (BKK) 5930 5936 1.39 £12.00
1 Nov 09 Bangkok (BKK) Taipei (TPE) 1540 1572 0.28 £2.39
9 Nov 09 Taipei (TPE) Bangkok (BKK) 1540 1572 0.28 £2.39
9 Nov 09 Bangkok (BKK) London (LHR) 5930 5936 1.39 £12.00
25 Nov 09 London (LHR) Hong Kong (HKG) 5990 5987.6 1.41 £10.54
26 Nov 09 Dragon Air Hong Kong (HKG) Kaohsiung (KHH) 393 393 0.08 £0.70
8 Dec 09 Dragon Air Kaohsiung (KHH) Hong Kong (HKG) 393 393 0.08 £0.70
8 Dec 09

Hong Kong (HKG)

London (LHR) 5990 5987.6 1.41 £10.54



Total 506303 507313 114.24 £889.94

 

 

 

Yearly totals # of flights # of miles travelled average miles travelled per flight
2001 5 9199 1840
2003 6 13466 2244
2004 10 27931 2793
2005 24 82678 3445
2006 19 49135 2587
2007 34 88605 2606
2008 30 104432 3482
2009 38 130857 3444
Total number of miles flown = 506303
amount of carbon dumped into the environment = 114 tonnes (apparently)

 

Discussion, and related topics:

The one thing I wanted to highlight with this page is that carbon offsetting is a very unprecise science... if you can call it a science at all. The companies that are selling you carbon offsets disagree with each other not only on the amounts of carbon that are discharged by air travel, but also on the cost to offset them. I do not think that all the offsetters are funding new projects, or using the money well. In any case, 60% or more of what you pay to offset is actually going on administration, and the companies' bottom line. Until there is definitive (or as close to possible) results for carbon discharge for air travel, i wouldn't pay any money to any company that is trying to guilt-trip me into buying carbon offsets.

For something that directly relates to this page of mine, I suggest you watch the Channel 4 Despatches episode 'The great green smokescreen' to get a better view on companies that are now selling you carbon offsetting and their differing methods.

If you've watched the film by Al Gore An Inconvenient Truth you will probably be thinking about reverting to a much simpler way of life.

Basically i don't trust the science in Al Gores' film, his temperature records are skewed, and he has selectively chosen 'fringe' scientific studies that do not support the majority view in order to make his point. Foremost, he's a politician, not a climate scientist, and at the end of the day he's preaching because there is a lot of money to be made from green policies. And if the governments around the world have it their way, they may start TAXING us based on our carbon emissions.

For a general overview of counter-green issues, check this wikipedia article out.

How about watching the great global warming swindle - although much discussion has followed this programme and on the contributers to it.

Try and watch CBS Newsworld Doomsday called off.

Why do you not believe the green campaingers?

Because those people are employed to tell companies and the rest of us that there is a problem. Their job depends upon it, so they aren't going to take no for an answer are they? if there actually is no problem, they're out of a job surely? So its in their best interests to perpetuate the myth of the global warming problem. While i agree that humans make an impact, its not doomsday quite as they say it is - to justify their job.

Don't forget, that in the 1970's green campaigners and the scientific community were talking about 'The Big Chill' - yes, scientists looking at temperatures in a 50 year period noted that the temperature was dropping from WW2 until the late 70's, they expected it to continue and were warning of a coming ice-age!

I think that a similar thing has occured in recent years, people have seen rises in global temperatures over a very short space of time and its time to break out the gas masks and go live in the shelter you built in the garden that was no use in the cold war - that also never happened.

We are human, and we like to think that we are big and important, but the truth is, we are quite insignificant, and it is our own egos that make us think we are such a blight on the environment. Its also hard for us big-headed humans to comprehend the vastness of time, and that we are merely a bad smelling fart in the long long history of planet earth.

I have studied Geology academically, and the thing we kept coming back to was just how staggeringly long the earth has been around, and that we are actually coming out of an ice age anyway, so what do you think happens when you come out of an ice age? Bearing in mind these transition periods take 10,000 years or so, its gonna get a bit warmer eh?

 

CONCLUSION

I sound like a right old fascist eh? The immediate thing that people usually say to someone like me that questions the whole 'global warming crisis' is that I've been listening to the oil companies too much. Oh yeh? who do you think is trying to sell you the new 'renewable' forms of energy, and is setting up, financing the carbon offsetting programmes? The big oil companies, big business. So be wary of what you accuse me of.

I have mistrust of people with agendas and i don't trust what the governments have to say about this whole issue. I think its too early to say for sure what is and isn't causing it. Modern governments are a bit too quick to address tiny issues that concern the populace from one week to the next, instead of concentrating on enduring policy. This phenomenon has been summarised nicely in the metaphor 'Eight People Sipping Wine in Kettering' go watch that series.

I don't like pollution, i realise that i am polluting by flying so much, for that, i apologise.

I don't trust any carbon 'offsetting' scheme, they are mostly deeply flawed, and just another way for someone to trick you out of your money under the guise of a good cause.

Its a good plan though, all this bru-ha ha about global warming, its a convenient way to take the publics' attention away from the middle-east and the total mess we're in over there. I'm not surprised the governments are pushing this ill-informed global warming scam on us, get the public militant about something, so long as its not about the war and we'll be ok :-)

MY DEFENSE:
I think my shiniest attribute is that i don't own a car, nor do i drive cars, and i can bet thats more than the majority of you armchair critics can respond with.

Every lightbulb in my house is a compact flourescent, which provides perfectly adequate lighting, at about 30% of the energy it would usually take to run my house with normal incandescents. It makes perfect sense, it saves loads on electricity bills, and isn't a power hog. Even this reccomendation to switch to CFL's has further enriched the debate about how much energy is actually saved because of the manufacturing processes - but ultimately they save more energy over incandescents.

When I work in London, i use the trains all the time (for my sins), even for short journeys into the town centre, it'll be by walking and the train.

At the end of the day, there are way too many factors involved in arguing a point either way, its up to each of us to make our own minds up, and not be preached to, we're all human, and make mistakes in facts and in judgement. So in all honesty, we have no hope, we are a meandering bunch of lunatics destined for that religious apocolypse that some people would have you believe is also, fast approaching.